Recently, I had the awesome privilege of being a guest on the Pete vs Anxiety Podcast, where we discussed everything from mental health, branding, and anime, and some killer musicians that everyone should check out.
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Pete: 00:00:01.766 --> 00:01:37.408
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Pete: 00:01:40.117 --> 00:01:57.584
Guys, welcome to another exciting episode of Peak vs. Anxiety, the mental health podcast breaking the stigma. My guest today is Kathryn Holeton, and she's found at kathrynholeton.com. Kathryn, please say hi to everybody.
Katy: 00:01:58.792 --> 00:02:18.187
Hello! Thanks for having me on the show! I'm what I like to call myself a character designer for musicians. I help musicians set up a character to play in the game of the music industry. Technically, it's brand design, but it's basically character design. Same thing.
Pete: 00:02:18.207 --> 00:02:24.854
That's awesome. Any big-name bands you've worked with that we should know about?
Katy: 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:40.145
I haven’t worked with any big-name bands, but I’ve worked with a few rising ones. One called Pazzo, a nostalgic rock band from Chicago. Another is the Dead Cassettes, a rock band from California.
Pete: 00:02:40.164 --> 00:02:42.384
Hey, my hometown.
Katy: 00:02:42.686 --> 00:03:00.109
Yeah, they've got some cool stuff!
Pete: 00:03:00.128 --> 00:03:11.712
So why are you here on a mental health podcast? What are your thoughts about mental health?
Katy: 00:03:11.752 --> 00:03:49.617
Mental health needs to be talked about more, especially in the creative world. As creatives, we’re constantly working and putting ourselves out there but sometimes don’t take enough time for ourselves. We experience burnout, anxiety, paranoia, or worry. Sometimes our self-esteem takes a hit from promoting ourselves on social media and not seeing results.
Pete: 00:03:50.798 --> 00:04:45.601
Yeah, social media is tough. I’m on TikTok, X, Instagram, Facebook. I think Rumble is the only place I haven’t touched yet. When you put something out there, you’re ready for the scrutiny. But there are also a ton of people supporting what you do.
Katy: 00:04:47.386 --> 00:04:55.713
Yeah, it’s important to not let it win, and tell the anxiety and stress to take a hike.
Pete: 00:04:55.814 --> 00:05:35.158
I love it. So, Kathryn, before we even hit record, you mentioned experiencing burnout. What led up to that? Was it just an overload of work?
Katy: 00:05:35.177 --> 00:06:17.367
It was a lot of work. I had to do client outreach, follow up with clients, maintain my website, write articles, make social media posts to support my articles, and work on getting featured in podcasts. It was a lot, and I forgot to take a break. I took a break through December and I'm catching up now.
Pete: 00:06:18.629 --> 00:08:41.868
Yeah, I did the same thing in the beginning of this podcast. I tried doing it all myself. I didn’t think about using a digital calendar until someone mentioned it. It makes scheduling so much easier, and now I’m booked through July! It’s crazy, but it’s good. It's all about evolution.
Katy: 00:08:42.175 --> 00:08:58.127
Exactly. It’s about learning how to make time for yourself so you don’t experience burnout again. Otherwise, you learn nothing.
Pete: 00:08:58.608 --> 00:09:23.535
Right, exactly. You get driven and try to do everything, but you’re still trying to handle it all.
Katy: 00:09:23.872 --> 00:09:56.281
Yeah, then you realize you’ve only gotten a couple of things done, and it gets frustrating.
Pete: 00:09:56.584 --> 00:10:15.618
That’s when you know it’s time to shut it down and take a break.
Katy: 00:10:16.251 --> 00:10:34.539
For me, it’s remembering why I started this business in the first place and thinking about the impact I want to have on the music industry. Helping artists understand branding and how it ties into their careers motivates me.
Pete- 00:10:34. 541 --> 00:10.37.349
So do you have anyone in your family that has mental health issues?
Katy- 00:10:37.350 --> 00:10:49.202
One of my family members just retired, or retired. I don't know what the exact term is. They didn't serve the full term, but they were honorably discharged.
Pete- 00:10:49.243 --> 00:10:49.964
There we go.
Katy- 00:10:52.543 --> 00:11:25.929
Not for mental health problems. I think they had some paperwork issues that led to them leaving the military. They were trying to get promoted, but their promotions kept getting declined. They were also trying to move to a different rank, and the paperwork was taking forever. Anyway, she has some minor mental health problems, I think. Yeah. I hope I'm not putting words in her mouth.
Pete- 00:11:26.009 --> 00:11:34.095
Yeah. So, Kathryn, let me ask you a question. When you hear the word mental health, what comes to mind? Anything at all?
Katy- 00:11:36.299 --> 00:11:47.230
A person in a dark room with all the lights off, with light streaming in through the window while they're curled up in a corner.
Pete- 00:11:48.511 --> 00:11:56.919
Jesus, man. You’re not wrong, though. Mental health covers so many things.
Katy- 00:11:56.940 --> 00:11:57.019
Yeah.
Pete- 00:11:58.283 --> 00:12:33.793
There’s depression, anxiety, BPD (borderline personality disorder), dissociative identity disorder… I’m probably missing some. But you may be describing depression, which is honestly what a lot of people go through. They just feel down and kind of apathetic, like Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh.
Katy- 00:12:33.812 --> 00:13:13.592
Currently, I’m working on a major redesign of my website. Over my unintentional burnout break, a lot clicked for me, especially for marketing and copywriting. I’ve been redoing all of the main pages and redesigning some site features. I was hoping to have it done before today, but I’m aiming to have it finished in the next week or two.
Pete- 00:13:13.613 --> 00:13:14.894
Yeah.
Katy- 00:13:14.913 --> 00:13:25.921
I’m planning to create a cool booklet for people to download, hopefully no more than 15 pages. Once that’s done, I’ll launch the site, after proofreading everything.
Pete- 00:13:25.941 --> 00:13:26.041
Right.
Katy- 00:13:29.003 --> 00:13:30.864
So once I’m done with that, I’ll launch the site.
Pete- 00:13:36.629 --> 00:13:38.913
Yeah, definitely.
Katy- 00:13:38.913 --> 00:13:50.485
I’m also looking into more ways to market my business and services. The website’s the main focus right now; the other things are on the back burner.
Pete- 00:13:51.345 --> 00:13:52.725
Well, that’s awesome.
Katy- 00:13:52.745 --> 00:13:57.948
The website has to come first before anything else.
Pete- 00:13:58.068 --> 00:14:26.331
Yeah, I get that, especially with brand design. People want to know who you’ve worked with and see your portfolio. It sounds like you’ve got a solid plan, though.
Katy- 00:14:26.351 --> 00:14:28.432
No exciting clients at the moment, but I’m hoping that changes soon.
Pete- 00:14:28.452 --> 00:14:39.038
Well, hopefully, someone sees this episode and reaches out to you.
Katy- 00:14:39.077 --> 00:14:40.837
Hopefully! That’d be great.
Pete- 00:14:41.318 --> 00:15:22.466
Let me ask you another question. You’ve been feeling burnt out. What have you noticed during that time? You mentioned wanting to delete everything—what was going through your head at that moment?
Katy- 00:15:22.586 --> 00:15:42.052
I felt like nothing I was doing really mattered. It was a pretty low spot because I wasn’t growing on social media, and even though I was getting more views on my website, I kept telling myself that wasn’t enough.
Pete- 00:15:42.971 --> 00:15:46.113
Oh, you were getting more views on your website?
Katy- 00:15:46.253 --> 00:15:53.255
Yeah. For a while, I wasn’t getting many, but I started getting 3 or 4 views a day, which was nice.
Pete- 00:15:53.975 --> 00:15:54.495
Yeah.
Katy- 00:15:55.696 --> 00:16:03.278
I got caught up in the trap of thinking I needed numbers on social media.
Pete- 00:16:03.839 --> 00:16:04.119
Yeah.
Katy- 00:16:04.359 --> 00:16:06.620
It happens more than I’d like to admit.
Pete- 00:16:07.280 --> 00:18:34.705
It’s rough, especially on social media. You put out a great video, and then it’s like no one sees it. It’s easy to feel bad when you see others with millions of views. But remember, it’s all about the algorithms. I’ve been through it too. I’ll get a hundred views, and then I see someone else with a million, and I’m like, “Why is this happening?” And with my podcast, I had 750 downloads in the first month, which is a lot for me, but you start stressing over the numbers.
Katy- 00:18:34.705--> 00:18:39.030
The dream client would be Shinedown.
Pete- 00:18:39.030 --> 00:18:59.141
Shinedown? Kathryn wants to work with you!
Katy- 00:18:59.161 --> 00:19:01.383
Very cool.
Pete- 00:19:02.017 --> 00:19:30.305
I’ve had some bands on the show, like Brian from Alive in Stone, Bryce from Pretty Suspects, and Lucy from Haunter. I’ll reach out and see if any of them need help, and maybe we can get you connected.
Katy- 00:19:34.656 --> 00:19:35.278
I would really appreciate it.
Pete- 00:19:35.298 --> 00:20:07.272
I love connecting people. It’s all about networking, and I like helping my friends grow. By the way, Lucy invited me over for pizza, so I’m coming for that pizza!
Katy- 00:20:08.213 --> 00:20:11.036
I had a friend in high school who tried to commit suicide. We don’t talk anymore because after high school, they started using me to do their homework, and it wasn’t really a friendship anymore. But when we were friends, they tried to commit suicide due to issues with a significant other.
Pete- 00:20:47.094 --> 00:20:48.153
What year did you graduate?
Katy- 00:20:49.074 --> 00:20:50.714
2017.
Pete- 00:20:56.269 --> 00:21:20.203
That’s not that long ago. You’re already on your path, which is amazing. Most people your age don’t have it figured out yet.
Katy- 00:21:22.222 --> 00:21:46.292
I realized I wanted to do brand design when I was a musician.
Pete- 00:21:27.585 --> 00:21:33.147
You mentioned you were a musician. What kind of music did you do?
Katy- 00:21:33.508 --> 00:21:43.692
I was primarily a lyricist. I wasn’t confident in my singing voice back then, but I think I’ve improved since.
Pete- 00:21:47.874 --> 00:21:50.815
Any notable collaborations?
Katy- 00:21:52.112 --> 00:22:06.954
There's Keith Curtis, not the big name country singer. Cause I think there is one like that, but, um, he's the Keith I worked with is based in Arizona and he does like country and acoustic stuff.
Pete- 00:22:07.974 --> 00:22:46.527
Awesome. So, so when you do music, is it mostly country you do, or is it just kinda, I prefer to make music that's in the genres of acoustic blues rock. I'd even go with pop. Yeah. So what kind of music does Kathryn listen to? Give us a feel like who Kathryn is. Kathryn, what kind of music do you like? Is there any bands you really like?
I know you mentioned Shinedown. Are there any other ones that you're really big into that, you know, you really like enjoying to say like you're having a rough day, you know, and you're like, all right, I'm coming home. I'm going to turn something on. I'm going to relax and some music. Who's that band you're picking?
Katy- 00:22:47.894 --> 00:22:56.443
So if I've had a really rough day, I'm turning on some metal, probably some In This Moment and some blood and screaming it out in my car.
Pete- 00:22:58.105 --> 00:23:13.286
I didn't see that coming, honestly. I was sitting there like, what? What did she just say? That one threw me off for a minute. I was like, damn, okay, Kathryn, calm down. All right, she's like I'm just gonna come screaming out everybody, like, not, not...
Katy- 00:23:13.405 --> 00:23:16.606
Not everyone, just in my car. Oh, the windows rolled up.
Pete- 00:23:16.646 --> 00:23:31.272
Listen, they don't know you're not singing to them. You're telling me you're singing to them, like, oh sorry, I was in the moment of the song, my bad, you know? That was... like I said, that would throw me out for me. I'm like, I'm like, damn, she really just say that. I'm like, Kathryn, okay, all right, girl, calm down, all right.
Katy- 00:23:32.263 --> 00:23:57.675
Yeah, I listen to some pretty hard stuff. And if I'm looking for something to work to, currently the vibe has been J-pop. J or K-pop. I've been hardcore into them. I'm not sure what genre Lexi Liu classifies as, but she's a Chinese singer. She's actually really cool. I'm fangirling over her a little bit because she sings in three different languages.
Pete- 00:23:57.817 --> 00:23:58.457
That's awesome.
Katy- 00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:32.605
Which is Chinese, Spanish, and English. She's got some cool stuff, too. Yeah. I think this other one is, they're either J-pop or K-pop. I'm not sure, but they're called R-E-O-L or Reol, however it's pronounced.
They've got some good stuff. One of the first songs I ever heard by her was Give Me a Break, and it's so good. I highly recommend checking it out and reading the captions because the entire song is in a different language, but it's so good.
Pete- 00:24:33.246 --> 00:24:52.650
You know what's one I like, though? I watch a lot of anime. The Demon Slayer. I think it's season two or three. The one that Man on a Mission was the band that did it. I was like, I don't even care if I understand the words of this song or not, dude. But it's just... it hits so hard because when it starts going, I'm just like, oh, yeah.
And people look at me like, do you know what they're saying? I have no idea, but I like it. Leave me alone.
Katy- 00:24:52.970 --> 00:24:57.871
I like the intro theme to Soul Eater and the one to Tokyo Ghoul.
Pete- 00:24:58.351 --> 00:25:30.695
Kathryn's after my heart. She said Soul Eater. God, man. Yes. Yes. You know, and it's great, you know, because music helps you when you're in that really bad mood and stuff like that. So but you said Shinedown, though, too. Let's... let's listen. After everything you just said, you said Shinedown.
So you're like over here, Shinedown. And then you're like In This Moment "Blood" over here. I'm like, Kathryn, whoa, hold on. OK, we're saying a little more bit about who you are now. OK, Kathryn likes to spin the wheel and said, okay, let's let's see what I choose today. This morning I'm choosing violence. So here we go. You know, just start screaming it out.
Katy- 00:25:33.303 --> 00:25:45.595
Uh, my favorite way to describe myself is an anti-social black cat. There you go, there you go. I'm either snuggled up in the sun or, um, messing around and seeing what happens.
Pete- 00:25:46.951 --> 00:25:50.294
She's like, I like danger. Danger is my new name for everybody some days.
Katy- 00:25:50.374 --> 00:25:54.636
Other days, it's like, leave me alone. Get the spray out.
Pete- 00:26.55.430 --> 00:31.59.999
So let's get back to branding for a minute. What's your thought on fonts?
Katy-00:31:47.763 --> 00:32:17.567
That limits... how you can use it because there's like 6 main ones. I don't know them all off the top of my head, but one is strictly for commercial use, one's for enterprising use, and one's free source.
The free source ones are like your Times New Roman, your Comic Sans, your Arial Black—like all of those are the free source ones that you can use for whatever you want, whether it be playing, you can see the...
Pete-00:32:17.586 --> 00:32:28.306
Look on your face, by the way, when you say that, you're like, "You could use those if you want," but you guys could... you can take that elsewhere. Like, that's just basic stuff. Now, if you really wanted to pop...
Katy-00:32:28.306 --> 00:32:47.163
Well, you gotta do what the budget dictates. I mean, for my personal site, I use Arial Black as my headers and Times New Roman as my body font. But having said that, Times New Roman has a special place in my heart because that was my preferred choice of font all through, uh, high school and college, so...
Pete-00:32:49.453 --> 00:33:07.820
And then she met typography and found there's so many others out there. I'm just saying, the way they looked at your face when you said that, you started cringing. Well, you can use that if you want, you know. I have a feeling like you look at some design stuff and you're just like, "Oh, who the hell designed this thing? What is this? Oh."
Katy-00:33:07.881 --> 00:33:31.707
Guilty as charged. Yeah. Yeah. I see some that don’t look great. The big thing, not necessarily design-wise, I guess organizational-wise, that is a pet peeve of mine is when you click on someone’s Linktree and they have their links not organized. They’re just thrown in there. It’s like, organize it.
Pete-00:33:31.747 --> 00:35:08.710
That’s mine. That’s mine right there. A little chaos at hand. Okay. Mine’s all over the place, man. But like I said, that early stage, I am working my way back through a lot of things, and I’m trying to work on some of my brand designing and stuff like that. Because, actually, the funny story—the picture in the background, the back image is me. My wife actually made it when we were dating. She made that picture for me.
I don’t remember what I was doing in that photo, but I found it and thought, "Hey, I could use this for something." And this is how I came up with the podcast idea. And then the two different font faces as you go through it? That was just because I know it drives people crazy. You get those grammar nuts. It's all that one face. I know. I know.
It’s all a point of pick. It’s just because it drives you insane. And then if you notice my Instagram, it says "double a X, I, E, T, Y" because I know it drives people nuts. Apparently, I’m just the person who likes to upset people. I just thought it was great. I just want to be original. So I’m like, "Let’s do this." So I am going to look at a brand redesign down the road.
We may have to have a little discussion about that, honestly, and see what we think and what we come up with. And there are some other ventures I’m going down. Actually, I haven’t really told many people about this—you’re the first one to know—but I’ve been talking to some about doing other podcast ideas as well. You know, just a couple of different ones.
So we may have to have a longer discussion about some things. Maybe we’ll see what you come up with for us, 'cause we’re going to need a couple of logos and things like that since they’re all different shows and all that fun stuff.
So, hey, listen, this was great that we met up here now, 'cause now we can talk, we can talk some shop, see what we can come up with, and get your name out there. Oh, and then, you know, make sure in the corner of it, you put—Kathryn, it’s Holeton, right? I’m sure I messed it up in the beginning—Holeton.com. That way they know who did this.
Katy-00:35:08.751 --> 00:35:14.335
You know, it's Kathryn Holeton, like weighing a whole ton minus the W.
Pete-00:35:14.335 --> 00:35:20.19
I told you today, I cannot read names to save my life. So I, I told you, it's—so I appreciate you just kind of bearing with me here.
Katy-00:35:20.438 --> 00:35:20.818
It's all good.
Pete-00:35:20.858 --> 00:36:27.340
The sporadic dyslexia hits us all. Right. It's like, man, my brain woke up today and was like, "Yeah, guy, we're not working today for you. Sorry." So, but yeah, definitely, like I said, we'll have to talk some shop here, 'cause I've got about 5 or 6, maybe more, ideas of things we're working on all at once.
I know it sounds like a lot to some people, but once you get a bunch of the content recorded and things like that, it's just going to kind of distribute itself very slowly out there. We're talking different things like that. So we'll have to talk shop about that. Typography. The big words that people don’t understand.
It’s okay, guys, we’ll keep you in the loop later on. So you don’t have anything big coming down the line? You don’t have anything exciting you’re doing? You’re just working on the brand design, all that kind of resets? If somebody wants to come talk to Kathryn—Kathryn, what is it? How would a normal interview with a new client go? Just give them a kind of feel for what they're going to be experiencing.
You sit down and talk about, "Hey, listen, what do you want versus what you feel like they should do?" 'Cause, you know, obviously, this is your area of expertise, and they’re coming to you for stuff to get done. Like, I mean, people have ideas, but sometimes, guys, your ideas just don’t make sense.
Katy-00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:56.706
So when I start a brand design project, and when I'm first meeting with a client, I talk to them, get their ideas, see their goals, help them plan out their goals, and find some ways to get there. I'm not an expert in goal planning myself, but I'm decent enough to advise basic steps.
Pete-00:36:56.927 --> 00:37:03.668
You're getting there. You said you’re still in the beginning phase of this thing. At least you’re ambitious. You know what you want to do, and you’re not afraid to go for it.
Katy-00:37:05.110 --> 00:37:18.159
From there, I write down their design ideas, and more than likely, I will use it as inspiration for their own brand identity.
Pete-00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:58.864
Kathryn, you can be honest. You can say that some of those ideas are terrible. It’s okay, you’re amongst friends here. Don’t worry. I mean, I haven’t seen the way you look—Kathryn, I’m sorry, that was hilarious. You’re like, "Well, you know, I haven’t seen anything obnoxious yet."
Okay, okay, knock on wood. But oh my god, I can just see the email now." Captain Peter, you gotta see this. You gotta see what they just did. You gotta see this idea." And it's just something we laugh about.
Since, you know, I have a little idea of how brand designing works—somewhat, not a lot. You're probably more advanced than I am. But, you know, the way you responded to that was just like, "Oh, nothing yet."
Katy-00:38:00.130 --> 00:38:40.233
Well, the key thing with brand design is the designs are based on research, and the research is on how you stand out in your market or, in this case, for musicians in your genre, what your alternatives are doing, and how you can stand out from them and what you can safely steal from them.
Like maybe they have a really cool marketing strategy going on, and you can maybe implement that into your own marketing strategy. Or maybe they have very bold designs, and you can implement that same feel into yours but with your taste, because, you know, I say take. Okay.
Pete-00:38:40.253 --> 00:39:05.047
Well, you know, when you said the word steal—not to cut you off here, though—I had to. All right. You say steal. I always say it's like… I don't know if you've ever seen this, but when someone says, "Steal this idea," it's like when you create a logo for somebody, and they’re like, "Oh, my god. This is so unique." I’m like, "No. No, you didn’t. You stole that."
Right? That’s how you start thinking about it because you’ve seen some of those same colors or ideas, but in a slightly different mix or something like that.
Katy- 00:48:14.780 --> 00:48:40.757
I mean, I'm down. I love anime. Because of the internet situation, I don't get to read it. I don't get to watch it a whole lot. But I do read the manga. And let me tell you, I love the Black Clover anime.
But it's been on hiatus for a while, so I was reading the manga. And it was great because it was coming out monthly when I started reading it. And they got switched to quarterly. So I only get to read a new chapter every quarter. And it's in the climax. I'm like...
Pete- 00:48:42.744 --> 00:50:22.639
It's funny you say mangas because me and a friend of mine were talking about it. He's a big Dragon Ball Z guy. I was like, listen, have you read the manga for the Super one? He's like, no. I was like, bro, you're missing so much. He goes, well, I know so much different stuff. And there's what people are saying.
I'm like, there's a hundred percent different stuff. Plus you get through, you know, you're reading books and things like that. And it's like, it's a comic book, essentially, because it's not like the traditional American comic book. It's an actual book, but it's a comic book, you know. And I was telling them about it.
I was like, yeah, man, you know, a lot of the stuff they leave out in Black Clover. I'm not sure if they're going to finish that one because I got to the end of that one. That was all the all the things you can see up to that point. I was like... And then I hate it when it just stops and it's like, well, it doesn't come back like Dead Man.
Wonderland was one that was like that too, is like you got to the end of that thing and you're like... But why can't I have more than twelve episodes? I mean, this is just like, it's crazy. This one kid survives a classroom explosion. He's the only kid left. Why can't I have more? With anime, there's so many different kinds of different ones you can watch. I was talking to somebody about this the other day.
Street, by the way, you know who you are. I'm coming for you for those comments. A friend of mine named Street City Inc on TikTok, he's making jokes about anime. He's like, "It all looks the same to me." I'm like, no, it doesn't. It's a different art styling. He's like, "Oh, it looks the same."
I'm like, no, dude, it's like movies. I describe to people it's like movies, man. There's different genres for different things and everything like that. And, you know, and all that great stuff. And, you know, and I think people don't read enough books either, you know, and it's like, that's my goal this year to read some more books and be on more podcasts.
So. Kathryn, you start, once I come on your podcast, I'll see how it goes. I had you on here. Now you have me on there.
Katy- 00:50:24.782 --> 00:50:27.905
Maybe at some point when I do get a podcast.
Pete- 00:51:19.309 --> 00:52:26.034
Yeah, that's good, though. I'd like to make Mike smile up and try people insane. So it's OK. All right, guys, we're going to wrap up this episode of Pete for its anxiety. Kathryn, thank you so much for coming. It's great having you here. It's great learning more about yourself. Keep me posted on the new website.
And like I said, I'll definitely be reaching out about my own when you got time. You know, and we could discuss more about the other stuff, all the other branding stuff like that. Maybe we can get into something and you can help me design some new branding logos for the new stuff that we're talking about that are in the works now. I'll send you the ideas and we'll do all that anyways off camera.
That's our own private conversation. Guys, like I always like to tell you guys, you know where to find me. I'm on Pete for his anxiety. Pretty much everywhere like Visa. Everybody want me to be. I'm on Instagram, TikTok. Facebook, X. I'm pretty much anywhere, guys. Come visit me.
Let me know how much you like the show. Say hi to Kathryn. Tell her you saw her on Pete vs. Anxiety. It's always great when people mention me. Things like that. And guys, as I like to say, as always, I close out the show. It costs absolutely nothing to be kind to somebody.
One kind act you can do can save somebody's life or hell, you can even make their day. Guys, this is Pete vs. Anxiety signing out. I'll see you guys next Monday. Later!
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